Measuring water usage. (9 posts)

Topic tags: arduino, water meter
  • Profile picture of Stuart Grimshaw Stuart Grimshaw said 1 year, 11 months ago:

    About 12 months ago we had a water meter fitted, and put several measures in place to save water, but we’re still paying around about the same in water bills every quarter and I’d like to know if we’re just over paying or if our consumption hasn’t gone down.

    The meter itself is in an awkward place to get at so I’d like to chuck something in there to count it.

    Has anyone put anything on their water meter? Do they have a magnet that rotates like the old electricity meters or an LED that flashes and can be counted.

    Would an Arduino be overkill for such a simple task? There’s no network cabling in there, but there is electricity. Is there a simpler device that could easily be put on the network?

  • Profile picture of Andy Kirby Andy Kirby said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    Stuart

    Where is your water meter ?? If it is like ours it is out in the middle of the pavement.

  • Profile picture of Stuart Grimshaw Stuart Grimshaw said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    My meter is one of these,

    http://www.actaris.com/html/products-1534.html

    and while it’s not out in the street, it’s in a cupboard under all the shoes & bags and other assorted guff that gets stored in cupboards.

  • Profile picture of John X Moseley John X Moseley said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    If you hack one of these babies put me down for one.

  • Profile picture of Andy Kirby Andy Kirby said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    Having had a scan through the docs it looks like a purely mechanical meter. The signaling then is likely to be either optical or magnetic. Optical is a favorite.

    There will be either a spinning indicator (dark, reflective) that you can bounce light of some sort. Think Reflective Opto Coupler. Or a spinning magnet that you can pick up the phase change from. Think hall effect sensor.

    That little analogue dial on the lower right hand side looks to have a big lump of the pointer as a reflective triangle.

    Best way for ward is to watch the meter for a bit or at intervals and see if you can see something that you could opto couple with.

    You can check for a magnetic field with a button compas (xmas cracker novelty thing or cheap from a toy shop, in a whistle or something).

    In essence the signal will flip perhaps once every cubic something or other, if you count these it will give you your indication of how much water you have used and if you graph usage against time you will get peak/trough indication as to when most is being used.

    Sorry if I have told you something here that you already know.

    Cheers

    Andy Kirby

  • Profile picture of Stuart Grimshaw Stuart Grimshaw said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    The small dial does indeed have a big lump of metal on it, it’s fairly matte though rather than reflective and the background to the dial is white which would also reflect.

    I thought this meant the dial was probably magnetic but the size of it looks as though it would trip a reed switch pretty much through it’s whole spin.

    I’ll try the compass thing though.

  • Profile picture of Richard Allsebrook Richard Allsebrook said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    I would be very wary of any legal issues arising from tampering with a meter.

    How feasible would it be to point a webcam at the output of the meter and then do some image processing to pull the numbers out?

  • Profile picture of Richard Allsebrook Richard Allsebrook said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    Another thought occurs: How about adding a new section to the water pipe with your own measuring device in it?

    === existing pipe ==== | existing meter | === existing pipe === | shacknet meter | === existing pipe ===

  • Profile picture of Andy Kirby Andy Kirby said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    The suggestion here is most definitely not to tamper with the meter (meaning break seals or open the case in any way) most meters are built so that you can pick up the integrated units via the/an indicator. They do this because as soon as you break the seals on the meter you are in breach of your contacts and the makers warranted calibration is null and void. But in many cases (utility smart metering, building management etc) there is a legitimate need to count what you have used without affecting the measurement. Utilities are required to be able to show that they have not tampered with the meter so as to fiddle the customer, meters are calibrated and sealed by the manufacturer for this reason.

    There are 3 types that I know of (Some no longer used with the move to smart metering)

    Optical, an LED blinks once per unit of consumption or an indicator changes state such that you can use a reflective opto-coupler to pick up signal.

    Magnetic, the field changes per unit of consumption such that you can use a hall effect switch or reed switch to pick up the signal.

    Dry Contacts, there is a little pair of holes in a plastic plug that you can plug a pair of wires into the circuit is made/broken once per unit of consumption such that you can pick up the signal.

    All of the above allow passive monitoring of your meter and by extension consumption without voiding waranties, calibration or contracts.

    optical (it also does bi direction serial with the meter if you know how) is very common with the modern range of electricity meters, the ones that blink an led at you. Look carefully next to the LED is a photo cell so with the correct attachment you can talk to the meter…. If you have the correct software and passwords etc. Just monitoring the LED pulse though without attempting anything else though is quite safe.

    Magnetic is anything but popular with electricity metering for obvious reasons.

    I have seen black/silver reflective disks indicator types and dry contact types in gas meters.

    Water I have yet to have a play with. I avoid messing with ours in case some kid on a bike runs over me lying prone in the middle of our pavement. (Rather embarrassing, lol) I can imagine that the dry contact method is least likely to be used here again for obvious reasons.

    As water and gas are metered without the use of electricity (purely mechanical) most don’t have any electronic capability at all.

    As you can see from the manufacturers docs for your meter the electronic reading package just clips on the top of the outside and picks up the change of the indicator.

    When you work out for sure how to pull a signal off your water meter (without tampering) please do come back and tell me…… I would love to know.